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Secondary Air PumpThis forum post has messages dated from 11/08/08 through 02/01/12, please be sure to read all the messages. If you feel it is old or outdated, please follow up with a question or comment and someone may be able to update it, or reply with newer information if you have it. - Pontiac-Grand Prix
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| Secondary Air PumpHi All, I have a 2000 Grand Prix GT 3.8L My secondary air pump finally went after 8 years and 103, 000 miles. When I brought my car to my mechanic he replaced the pump as well as did an conversion kit to re-routue the intake. Well I have replaced this pump 4 times already...and each time it was replaced my mechanic told me he found the pump filled with water, now just for the record I don't go swimming with this car...nor do I drive thru all the puddles in the road. I just got back from the 4 th pump bieng replaced and when I shut the car off the pump just kept running and wasn't able to turn it off unless I disconnected the battery. So I just disconnected the pump.......HAS ANYONE ever had this problem with this pump before.......????? Is it possible whatever tells this pump to go on is broken......To be be honest I don't know what this pump does... Any help would be apreciated..... |
#101/28/09 22:50Lynn Fred | Yes! I have had this exact same problem and am so frustrated that my dealer can't seem to solve the problem! I also have a 2000 Grand Prix GT 3.8L and currently have 123, 000 miles and up until last year was extremely pleased with it. This started in February 2008, at 114, 000 miles, with the Service Engine Soon light being activated. They found code P0410, Air Injection Error, found air pump fuse blown, replaced it, blew again, found air pump motor shorted, replaced air pump and filter. When I drove the car away ($499 later) I immediately noticed a louder noise from the engine area while driving. Four days later the Service Engine Soon light came back on. They found code P0128, Coolant below Threshold, checked operation of cooling system and found fans running all the time and the engine temperature was not running high enough; replaced thermostat and topped system. Fan then shut off as designed. (talked them into no new charges). One day later, the Service Engine Soon light came on again. Again found code P0410, Air Injection Error, air system fuse blown again also again found hose full of water. They blew it dry and refabricated a shield for air inlet and seal. Replaced fuse. Then found secondary air solenoid leaking vacuum causing air pump valve to open at incorrect time (possibly from water intrusion); replaced solenoid. This finally seemed to have solved the problem (not sure if it was the fabricated shield or the solenoid replacement or a combination that finally worked, and they also did it at no charge). BUT...10 months later, it's happening again! This month the Service Engine Soon light came back on...same air code found, water in the hoses found, blown fuse found; cleared out the water, replaced fuse, charged $39 and they think it's all good...but now 2 weeks later the Service Engine Light is on again...and I still hear a louder than usual noise coming from that same area of the engine (near the air pump). I can't decide whether to give up on the dealer and take it somewhere else or try them one more time...hoping to get it fixed for free. But at this point they admit that they have no idea what is going on...and asked if I go through automatic car washes often...which I don't (maybe once a year at the most)...so like you...I'm at a loss. But thank goodness I only had the air pump replaced once through all of this. If I find out anything new or helpful I'll let you know. I feel for you and wish you the best with this issue. |
| In Reply to the messages re: secondary air pump I Have also had my 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix to the mechanic. Now $422.00 later the check engine light reappeared on again for the 3rd time! my mechanic referred to the water as condensation in the pump. and even said he detected rust on the air valve which he cleaned out and said that if it happens again would need replaced for an additional $315.00.This car is not driven through puddles or high water we only have 45, 000 miles. Just out of warranty and it all began... I would be interested to count the replys of how many are being affected in the pontiac frenzy repair. Its the worse nightmare ever wheres our bailout GM ??? Come on now this is definately a trend going on and needs attention yesterday... |
#302/04/09 19:30Lynn Fred | I found some interesting info on line, that my dealer never mentioned. Here's what I read: 90% of the time the one way check valves have worn out or failed and allow water (which occurs naturally in the exhaust) back into the pump. In any cold climate, especially with high humidities, this water may be more excessive. The water partially fills the air pump and can freeze in colder climates. When the PCM (?) commands the pump to run, if the pump has frozen water in it, it cannot turn, thus overloading the circuit and "popping" the fuse...setting off the Service Engine Soon indicator. After reading this, it made sense because mine first occurred last winter, then appeared to be OK for our warmer months of March-December, then occurred again in January. I also talked to a mechanic friend and he said that this is not an issue that will cause damage to the engine or leave you stranded anywhere as it is only related to the emissions system. So I decided to not take care of mine for a little bit and just see what happens. It also appears that Technical Services Bulletin # TSB# 040604037 was sent to or posted for GM service centers to access and I think it was dated 2004. Good luck to all who encounter this problem. |
| Hello, The check valve (around $90) is located at the top of the engine by the firewall. It it goes bad, it allows exhaust air to back flow into the pump motor, filling it with water. It also allows that same exhaust to go right past the pump motor and back out the intake hose. If you redirect the intake hose into the engine compartment, then it will pump exhaust gas into the engine. This exhaust will definately make it into the cabin and fill the cabin with carbon monoxide. |
| I have a 2006 Grand Prix and have had MANY problems. I've had to replace the flywheel twice! My tire rods are worn out and my hubs are warped VERY badly. Now, my check engine light is on. My machanic, Sears, also mention it was my secondary air pump and that it could be caused by water. If there are so many issues going on, there should definitely be a recall on our automobiles! This is just insane! |
| THERE DEFINITE SHOULD BE A RECALL ON 2006 GRAND PRIX SECONDARY AIR PUMP. THIS IS JUST ONE REASON GM IS HAVING TROUBLE WITH CAR SALES, THEY DON'T WANT TO FIX THEIR CARS. |
#708/26/09 15:11Dawn Whipple | I have a 2008 Grand Prix and my engine light came on. I was also told it was the secondary air pump and paid $400 to get it fixed. I did not drive it more than 5 miles and it came back on. I was told mine also had water in it and I don't go through puddles. At the moment, my car is in the garage for the 3rd time in one week and am still waiting as what they are going to do. I was told it could be a parts controller moduler, but not sure of. I definately agree there should be a recall on this. |
| I have had a 2006 Grand Prix for the past four years and just as it passed the 50 000 mile marker I was told that it was not longer under factory warranty. Well I tried to get them to fix the issue when it was 40 000 and they told me that it wasn't covered under warranty...Secondary air pump...my mechanic told me that they would tell people that it wasn't under warranty probably hoping that we would just give up asked then pass the 50 000 mile marker that way they don't have to take care of THEIR problem. Check engine light has been on for the past couple of years and this year is the worst one of them all, now it's burning coolant, had the belt changed recently and Sears won't flush the coolant because the error code P0411 appears and it's an admissions thing that they don't deal with. I spend over $500.00 last year to get my car fixed for my inspection sticker and I'm sure I'm gonna spend the same this year. VERY disapointed in this vehicle |
| I have a 2008 Pontiac Grand Prix with error code P0411 - Air Control Valve Solenoid. Dealer wants over $400 to repair - not covered under warranty. As I have so much trust in the dealer - I called the warranty place myself and they stated that the warranty excludes emissions. I agree - there should be a recall on this. |
| The term recall is short for safety recall. A common problem that any manufacturer is having with a vehicle or part that does not create a safety concern is not required by law to be fixed for free. Under certain conditions the company may issue a service campaign to fix the faults for free at their discretion. GM did this for the wiper modules that shorted out by the hundreds of thousands for about 5 years and finally closed it back in 2003. Honda, Nissan, Ford...every manufacturer has seen hundreds of common problems with their vehicles but will not fix them outside the warranty because THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF THE WARRANTY. |
#1111/25/09 08:58Jeremy Johnson | We own a 2006 Grand Prix 3.8l with California emissions, but live in Minnesota. At about 60, 000 miles the secondary air injection check valve went out and gave "the code" so I removed it. It was rusted pretty bad and was stuck shut. I cleaned what I could access and got it to open and shut freely (by hand and with a battery). I replaced it and went for a spin, no more codes. The next day the code showed back up. Worse yet, the car stalls if you give it more than about 2/3 throttle. ugggh |
#1212/13/09 11:52John Marquez | Same problem with my mom grand prix! Well I think that replacing the exhuast check valve is a good idea, hope it will fix the problem. Thanks for everyones info! |
| I own a 2005 bonneville gxp at 50, 000 or so miles it too sent the service engine light on a mission. This car has been to the dealer for every oil change. Not that I, myself could not do it but figuring it was under warranty it was best. When this light came on the service tech which was on a first name basis with me seemed to have forgotten who I was. Almost like he knew what I was there for. I wonder if these cars are programed for certain things to happen at x amount of miles? They too told me this was not covered and 420.00 later I drove off. A week later on again. as much as I loved this vehicle, this will bethe LAST domestic car I will ever purchase. For what I spent on this car new I could have purchased a very nice better quality import. I hate to say that being am ex service Man but they take your money and run. Just like they ran the auto companies into the ground. |
#1403/18/10 09:19Cynthia B | I HAVE A 2007 GRAND PRIX AND HAVE THE SAME SODE P0411 AND IT SAID THAT IT WAS THE SECONDARY AIR PUMP I REALLY RTHINK GM SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT |
| 2006 grand prix code P2240 Secondary Valve stuck open. Where is this, and what part do I replace? |
| 2002 Grand Prix GT: just had service engine soon light come on and took it into the dealership I purchased from. Also purchased extended service warranty and what do you know!? My secondary air injection pump went out and its not covered under my warranty....if this is going to be a continual problem like some of the other posts on here...i dont care how much I still owe on this vehicle, I think I'm better off trading it in for a new one. |
| I'm starting to hate my car more and more after reading through here. I got a 2007 Pontiac Grand Prix with error code P0411 - Air Solenoid Control Valve. I thought I was good to go when I purchase the Premium Extended Warranty...and of course...this part is not covered. Is this a part that can only be replaced/fixed at a GM Dealer?? |
| I have a 2002 Grand prix Gt same problems as posted. Every month my engine light is on and only have 57, 000 miles on my car. I have had so many problems with this car, oil leaks big time and gm dealer screwed me over until my warranty ran out then said its your problem. I have had to have the trans rebuilt which cost me $2200.00 , all of my sensors replaced and more. I am getting rid of this car and I will never buy another GM product again!!!! |
#1906/04/10 23:27Joe Cohen | OK, so we are all in the same boat. My 2007 Grand Prix is on it's third air pump at 93, 000 miles. It seems that every time I'm due for an inspection, the check engine lite comes on, and always due to the same problem. If, as all our mechanics have said, the problem is water in the pump, then that would seem to qualify as an engineering design defect and should, as others have said, initiate a recall. I'm following this up with a letter to GM, and, though I love the car, recently realized that I have spent over $5500.00 on non warranty repairs or maintenance in three years and am looking to sell. It seems that GM products are mechanically inferior to Ford or Nissan and I, for one, will not buy another car from GM. I'm looking at an Altima coupe now. Good luck all. |
| My 02 grand prix has the same problem I have not taken it intoa shop and don't think that i will I will use the info that you all have given me and check things out first.But I think everyone should call, write , email blog or what ever they can think of until maybe someone at GM hears that this is going to be a problem for them down the line. I happen to like american cars mostly GM and have 3 vehicles and have had to contace GMC about my 04 envoy xl for help and NO I DID NOT GET ANY but they need to know that there going to loose there customers if the don't start listening.They seem to only focus one new sales and customers who buy new cars . |
#2108/31/10 19:36Mrs.Trevino | We have a 06 poniac grand prix we have taken it to the mechaniec and they said our car will not pass emissions and inspection's they told us that this was the secondary aip pump and this was not covered on the warrenty so we replaced the air pump and the check engine light came back on my car has 61000 miles and the check engine light has been on for a about a 1yr this is crazy if so many people have this problem and it sounds like the same problem this should be recalled and it still will not pass what to do what to do? |
#2209/15/10 11:15Maureen Sparti | Same problem. 2008 Grand Prix couldn't pass the emissions inspection. HAve 70, 000 miles on the car, which actually has been no problem except for this. Have had it to 2 places to reset the codes, but the light keeps coming on. |
#2309/15/10 12:13Rick James | same problem. pontiac sucks booooo!!!!!!!!!! |
| this is really crzy i have a 2006 grand prix and every where i call no one really know what it is. they should really recall this problem on the real if so much ppl having this problem |
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