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|My '05 Jeep GC will sometimes NOT start when I turn the key. It is very intermittent. At first I thought it was me not turning the key far enough. The battery is reasonably new and good. All lights, radio, seats, will work; power is there. Sometimes it would take two attempts to start; yesterday six. Today after about 10, and a couple of clicks, it started. Run a few errands and it restarts; no problem. The problem has been so intermittent that day's or weeks can go by with no problem. It may be related to cold weather(15 deg.) but, this happened in warm weather too(not as bad). My mechanic has another Jeep GC in his shop with the same type problem. The owner of that car paid out to the dealership over a grand on "stuff" to fix it with NO fix yet. Is there anyone that has a solution to this? I've read all 75 items, copied a few along with web link info. to give to my mechanic. Jeep/Chrysler is useless. |
( Why did they ever do away with the old I-Block 6 cyl regular Cherokee? It worked!)
|Sorry I haven't replied yet. It took longer than I expected to find/fix the problem because we got hit with 46+inches of snow here in PA! I replaced the battery, just because ($139). It was the original and it's been through a lot here with negative temps over the last two years. The main problem, however, was with the lead terminal connection at the starter. I used a handheld DMM (digital multimeter) to track down the loose connection. There are two small (16 AWG?) wires that are utilized as the remote signal carriers. I replaced the OEM slide clips with replacement screw lead ends. The clip design is a horrible idea. Over time the dirt and such from the roads gets in between the connection and caused the problems I was having. I don't know if it is 100% fixed yet but I'm going on 2 weeks driving with no more issues. Previously it was acting up every other day until I replaced those items. Hope this helps. Let me know if you find a solution to your problems!|
|Just another thought:|
It is highly probable that the mechanic you take your Jeep to will try and have you replace the starter. From what I've been gathering the starter is NOT the problem in most of the issues people have listed here. It is a good money generator though ;)
|Yeah me too! Starts when it wants and not if it doesn't want to. Battery is fine. Checked it and its charged. Jumped it and it still won't start. All lights etc work. It won't do it at the dealer so they can't figure out how to fix it. This has been going on for 6 months. They charge battery, replaced starter wires, etc. I hate JEEP!|
|In reference to Reply #70 & 77, I found this forum today, as my wife's 05 JGC did the same thing this morning as the other 60 in here. Would not turn over for anything!! It had happened only a couple times in the last year, but would start after maybe one click.|
After reading the sad stories of many replacement parts from other posters, came across Brigada's advise on the connection at the starter. After some struggle (it's a tight space!), managed to get a hand on that slide clip and push it back onto the tab a little. Guess what...turned over on the first try! This was after pulling the Starter fuse, trying the 'click it 100 times' thing, charging the battery, tapping on the solenoid and trying penetrating oil on the starter connections, all with no luck. We then took it to a mechanic, who cleaned up the terminals and switched the original clip for a 'weatherproof' clip, all for around $45 bucks. We'll see what happens from here, but I think that wire clip should be the FIRST thing to check/clean, then work backwards from there to other suggestions above. Don't spend hundreds on other parts first.
BTW, we had called 2 Jeep dealerships today that said they hadn't had any issues like this, only changed a couple starters.
I do agree that this is probably more prevalent of an issue in cold weather areas, as wires DO shrink, and grime/salt DOES foul the undercarriage, both which would cause issues in this instance.
|I too have had the on again off again problem with my 2005 JGC not starting. I had the battery replaced and 6 months later the same thing happened again when I was on vacation. A friend wiggled the battery cables and it started. I drove to the nearest Jeep dealer. They told me, after 2 hours of waiting, to go to Sears and tell them that the battery I just replaced was bad. The Jeep mechanic said the positive post on the battery was loose. I drove an hour to the nearest Sears and waited another two hours to be told that the battery and the charging system were fine. Frustrating to say the least. It acted up again now and then. About a month ago it left my wife sit when she was out of town. That is when I became more determined to find out what was wrong. Back to Sears. Same thing. Everything tests ok. I put a digital multi meter in the accessory 12v outlet to monitor the voltage. I dismantled and cleaned the battery terminals and all the electrical connections that I could get to. When I was cleaning the positive terminal connector, I had stretched the wire harness a bit. When I connected it back onto the positive post, I thought that I heard something click as I pushed the wires back down in to the engine area where they were. I used a wooden stick to push again in the general area of the wiring harness and I heard the click again, but only once and then I could not reproduce the noise. The JGC started every time after that and the voltmeter that I had just installed did not show anything abnormal. After a few weeks, I was sure that the problem was an intermittent short in the wiring harness and I was about to see if I should get it to malfunction again......but I did not need to. The JGC shut off while driving down the road. I got off the road, but just barely. Some young men came to our rescue and towed us the last 8 feet uphill into a parking place. I had the JGC towed the next day to the nearest dealer. That cost $100. After 8 hours of labor at $62 per hour, they found a short in the wiring harness....imagine that. It was a short in the wire that sends the signal to the ECM to activate the coil that fires the spark plug. It shorted so that the coil stayed on all the time and it burnt the coil up. Yes we did smell it the night that the JGC shut down and I looked, but there was nothing to see. This coil finally blew a fuse, but I wander why it did not do that a lot quicker and I am glad that it did not catch on fire, I guess. This fuse provides power to the electronic fuel injection and that is why the JGC would not go anywhere when I pushed on the gas pedal. I know that this is a long story, but I have having fun, because nobody else will listen to me rant a rave about this frustrating problem. I asked the dealer if there were any recalls and the answer was NO. I asked the dealer if this problem could be the answer to the ongoing problem with the vehicle not starting and they said that while it was possible, there is really no way to tell. They did inspect the entire wiring harness for any additional damage and found none. They did move a bracket that they said allowed not enough room for the harness and they said that is why it rubbed through the plastic inter-duct and then through the insulating tape and then through the jacket of the wire. I asked what I did to cause the problem and they said nothing, it just happens. This does not just happen. It happened because the harness was not anchored correctly and it rubbed. To me Jeep is responsible for this and needs to investigate the problem and fix it. I like the way the dealer treated me, so I do not have a problem with them. It has been over a week now and the JGC is working fine. I will post again if there is any new information to tell. If this is the cause of the problem, it could act differently for each of you depending on what wire or wires are grounding out. My guess is that as the wire grounds out, it prevents one of the modules from allowing ignition to take place. I say that, because if the grounding were depleting the charge on the battery, then why would I have the same clicking after just charging the battery in full with a car battery charger. I even disconnected the battery and checked it out. It was good, but would not start the JGC. This is the same battery that Sears stress tested and told me that it was like new. So, it may be a combination of draining the battery for some and perhaps clamping some other signal so that ignition does not happen. I am going to ask the dealer for the test results and apply this info to the electrical schematics so I can reconstruct the fault. Thanks for listening.|
|MY 2005 JEEP WANT START MOST OF THE TIME IT DOESE THE SAME AS ALL THE REPLY ANYBODY KNOW WHAT WRONG WITH IT |
|UPDATE: The junk on the terminal tabs of my starter was still causing connection issues. I bought a new OEM starter from the dealer for $ 78 (Made in the USA!). It took about 45 minutes to replace. Here are the steps taken: |
Before you touch the starter, REMOVE both battery terminal wires. The supply wire (Hot/red) is fully energized all the way to the starter. If you bump this with a wrench and make contact with anything metal you WILL get shocked.
1. Disconnect both hot and ground terminals from battery. Ensure the can't slide back into place and make connection with battery terminals.
2. Use small flat-head screwdriver to *carefully* remove remote signal line (small 14 gauge wire on starter)
3. Use 13mm socket on 3/8 drive ratchet and disconnect power supply (hot)
4. Use 15mm socket and 3/8 swivel extension along with 6" extension to remove both starter bolts. (you may be able to get in there with a short box wrench, I didn't have one)
5. Remove old starter
6. I recommend using same 15mm socket and removing main ground wire from block directly above starter and wire brushing block and terminal wire. Ensure clean, rust and corrosion free surface.
7. Replace ground cable and bolt then tighten the living hell outta it. You will not strip the block and more than likely you won't have a good enough grip to break the bolt but a good ground connection is crucial. If you have anti-corrosion tube, use it here.
8. Compare old starter to new to ensure the dealer gave you the right part.
9. Position new starter in place and screw in both starter bolts (Don't tighten completely)
10. Attach power supply line and tighten as tight as possible. The stud CAN be broken and the nut CAN strip so be sure to tighten completely but I wouldn't recommend bringing the big muscles out.
11. Put the horribly designed remote terminal wire back on tab (or screw in place if you've replaced the plastic clip with a screw)
12. Tighten starter bolts completely alternating bolts as you tighten. Not doing so could cause binding if the starter is positioned goofy.
13. Put ground and hot wires back onto battery terminals.
14. Possibly start Jeep
Hope this helps, I'm sure there are torque specs for the starter bolts but I didn't bother.
Reply #77 Brigada (126.96.36.199) - Mon Jan 11 18:57:19 2010
Sorry I haven't replied yet. It took longer than I expected to find/fix the problem because we got hit with 46+inches of snow here in PA! I replaced the battery, just because ($139). It was the original and it's been through a lot here with negative temps over the last two years. The main problem, however, was with the lead terminal connection at the starter. I used a handheld DMM (digital multimeter) to track down the loose connection. There are two small (16 AWG?) wires that are utilized as the remote signal carriers. I replaced the OEM slide clips with replacement screw lead ends. The clip design is a horrible idea. Over time the dirt and such from the roads gets in between the connection and caused the problems I was having. I don't know if it is 100% fixed yet but I'm going on 2 weeks driving with no more issues. Previously it was acting up every other day until I replaced those items. Hope this helps. Let me know if you find a solution to your problems!
I am having the exact same issue as you were having. I just wanted to follow up and see if you have any other problems? I you could let me know I would appreciate the response! I just purchased my '05 Grand Cherokee 5.7L the week before Thanksgiving and 3 weeks later it started the no start issue, just clicking. Several places told me it was the battery, the alternator or the starter. For kicks I too replaced the battery ($138) then the next day it started again. I know it's not the alternator because everything else is fine, lights dashboard, etc. I don't think it's the starter, because when it does start it is normal, just a turn of the key. So, to say the least, it is driving me crazy!!
I did read on a website that had a maintenance log that said for ONLY the 2005 Grand Cherokee 5.7L the Ignition Cables should be replaced every 60, 000 miles. Thought that was weird??
|MY 05 JEEP WOULD NOT START ALL THE TIME IT WOULD JUST CLICK. SO TOOK STARTER OFF AND TOOK IT TO HAVE IT REBUILT THEY SAID THE STARTER HAD DEAD SPOTS IN THE STARTER SO WHEN IT LANDED ON THEM IT WOULD NOT START. SO FIX THE STARTER SO FAR SO GOOD STARTING GOOD.THE STARTER IS REAL HARD TO TAKE OFF YOU HAVE TO GO THREW THE FINDER WALL TO GET TO IT AND TAKE OFF THE DRIVE SHAFT OFF TO DROP THE STARTER OUT.|
|Starting problems this winter. One time driving normally, parked car. would'nt start, jumped car, ran okay. also heat workd on hogh fan speed only. anyway, chnaged battery 2 weeks later since the car had original battery which might have needed replacing. battery changed. 4 days later the car wouldn't start. the dash light, car lights, all work, battery seems fine. jumping wouldn't help start it up. i noticed when i looked later that my old battery had it postive contact broken. i have no idea what needs to be done.|
|Starting problems this winter. One time driving normally, parked car. would'nt start, jumped car, ran okay. also heat workd on hogh fan speed only. anyway, chnaged battery 2 weeks later since the car had original battery which might have needed replacing. battery changed. 4 days later the car wouldn't start. the dash light, car lights, all work, battery seems fine. jumping wouldn't help start it up. i noticed when i looked during sears replacing that old battery that my old battery had it postive contact broken. i have no idea what needs to be done.|
|Hi, Following up on my earlier post #64. I took the car to the dealer for the no start issue - I ended up having to tow it as it just wouldn't start at all come the first week of January (it sat for about 2 weeks idle when I was on vacation). The dealer said they hadn't seen this happening too frequently. They ran diagnostic tests and determined that the starter needed to be replaced. I replaced it and now car works fine. I think the other posts about tightening the starter (try post #80) are spot on. Me and my husband are not car people nor did I have the time to take it/tow it around so I just did what the dealer said - and spent a bit over $300.|
|I'm also having the same problem with non-start on my '05 GC. Replaced the battery a few weeks ago and the problem seemed to go away. Now it's back. After reading this forum I called the dealership to see what they would say. Got the usual "it's most likely the starter". Will be trying the suggestions found on here later today. |
Also FYI, I asked if there was or will be a recall on this issue and was advised that they WILL NOT issue a recall unless it is for safety reasons, this is not considered a safety issue. So I guess we can all stop hoping for that :( Will update with my results in the next day or so. Happy to have found this forum, even though there is no clear answers yet...
|I too am experiencing the intermittent failure with the starter... took it into the dealership Jan 11th 2010 they ran diagnostics and said there was a security issue they replaced the entire PCM (main computer) covered under the emissions warranty? and now again on feb 1st my 2005 JGC didn't want to start played with it throughout the week and sometime it would go and sometime not.... having it towed to a dealership this weekend so they can take a look... PLEASE IF ANYONE READS THIS AND CAN HELP PLEASE CONTACT ME! my e-mail is firstname.lastname@example.org it's an 05 JGC Rocky Mtn 3.7 Ltr engine|
Giovanni (from Milan/ Italy)
|I have a 05 jgc 5.7l hemi. I have had the same problem. I happened to me that when I was turning the key on, nothing was happening. For my luck I have immediately found the defect on the Micro Relay "Starter" cavity 33 (look at the Underhood Fuses - Power Distribution Center - page 345 of the manual) , and I have solved completely the problem. exchanging it with the Micro Relay (identical) "Horn" cavity 3 (look at Underhood fuses - Integrated Power Module - Page 346 of the manual). |
When I have some free time, I will buy a new micro relay for replacing that one of the Horn.
I hope that this suggestion can be helpful to all of you. If you wish let me know if this trick works on your cars
|I had the same problem as many in this forum. I too too had the clicking when I went to start. Only it did not happen all the time. I took the advice of another poster, Brigada #70. I also checked connections on the starter and ground. The only thing I came across after removing and reinstalling the starter was a slightly loose main terminal connection on the solenoid from the battery. You would not know it was loose by pulling on it but I removed the connection, cleaned the terminal on the main and the signal from the start relay and it works fine. Has not missed a beat. That was about one month ago with no problems. Try this. Check out all the connections on the starter, battery and grounds. |
|Follow up to podt 81|
One month an no problems with starting
|My 05 JGC occasionally will not start, I let it sit for a while and all of a sudden it starts. Today it happened three times, ususally it will happen once and probably would not happen for a couple of months. Initially I thought that I was doing something wrong because after letting the vehicle sit it would start up with no problem. I'm going to try some of the suggestions and post the results. Good luck everyone :)|
|Update to post #89 --|
Tried the same thing as Dan in #92 and Brigada above...it works perfectly now. Although my husband had a heck of a time getting at the starter to clean/tighten the wires. He had to remove the front drive shaft (does that make sense???) to get at it, but it's been close to a month and we haven't had the problem since :) Good luck everyone!
|Have this same problem, had it to dealers three times am now up to close to $1000.00 dollars in repairs and nothing has worked. Contacted Jeep Customer service to no avail, they could only tell me that there is no recall or TSB on the problem. There is no way to tell Chrysler Jeep that they have a problem except thru your local dealer if he so chooses to tell them. They have a number to call for technical service but if Jeep does not have a recall I guess we're just out of luck. A Fix is if it works for more than a year. Good luck to everyone that is having the problem in getting it fixed. |
|Feb 22, 2010 had the same problem with a 2005 JGC in Duluth GA. One other person noted above that the wireless remote did not work when all other electrical items worked as normal. My remote did not work either. Towed to service shop. Had to unlock manually which triggered the alarm and the only way to shut it off was to disconnect the battery. Starts fine now with approx 40-50 start attempts. Currently having program service performed. Hopefully we can get Jeep/Crysler to see the number of people on this forum that are having a problem with defective Jeeps.|
|Sent the CEO of Chrysler a letter difining the problems we are having with the 2005 Jeep GC not starting. If you would like to do the same here is the name and address:|
Mr. Sergio Marchionne
CEO Chrysler Group LLC
1000 Chrysler Drive
Austin Hill, MI 48326
Maybe if he gets enough mail they will do something about this problem. My letter went out today it was sent so that someone has to sign for it and then I will get a notification that it has been received. It cost $5.54 but that is better than a $300 dollar bill each time it goes into the shop.
|This morning, my wife went out to start her 05 GC. The FOB wouldn't unlock the doors. We tried my FOB. Same results. Using the key, we unlocked the door and set off the security alarm. The key wouldn't start the engine. A message on the display said it didn't recognize the key. This happened to both keys. Had it towed to a dealer and learned that the Wireless Control Module was burned out. We have had problems with this vehicle from early on and spent several thousand dollars on reapirs. It has about 77K on it now and we have spent more on it than we ever did on our old 98 GC and it had 150K on the clock when it left us. After this, we're trading this thing in on something more reliable. We have been a Jeep family for many years, but we have come to the end. JimR, thanks for the address. I will be writing Chrysler to let them know they've lost another customer.|
|Same problem, one click, no start. All lights dashboard etc.. work batterty is good. I think Bragada #83 has the right idea.|
The reason being my jgc was showing sighs of this coming on. The last time I drove it when I turned the key it acted like it was not going to start but did. Now its just one click then nothing. I think if the starter was bad you would have several clicks because the starter would at least attempt to wind up. My experience with starters is you have somewhat of a warning when they are going bad. This leads me to believe it is a connection somewhere whether it be at the battery or the starter.
I will keep you posted.
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